‘Special Day’

Tomorrow is going to be fun!

Danelle left today for Halls Creek/Fitzroy Crossing where her grandmother’s funeral will be held. I have the kids all week and tomorrow is their ‘special day’. Ellie has been looking forward to this for two weeks now and counting the sleeps.

I love these days where we hang out all day and do the stuff they love.

It’ll mean breakfast at McDonalds, followed by Pooh’s Heffalump movie, then a visit to the swimming pool and then… I reckon Sam will need a sleep! So we’ll come home and play and then… I reckon it could be pancakes for dinner.

I can pretty much count on an early start tomorrow though. It feels a little like that Christmas eve feeling.

Play nice…

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is looking to run a very creative and challenging forum looking at Future Church.

The deal is that 16 people prepare 500 word papers on 8 key questions – for each question there is a person who will come from one angle and a person who will from a very different angle (not necessarily opposing viewpoints).

The group who rock in on the morning will decide which 3 topics recieve highest priority for the day and these get discussed. The rest are left – although the papers get distributed.

So far the topics on the day look like being :

What is Church?

Finance and Stewardship of Resources

Success and how it’s measured

Appropriate forums to effect change

Leadership and its many expressions

Incarnational / attractional mission

Does ‘ future church ‘ include Youth/Kids ministry?

Discipleship – The Jesus Way

There are quite a few there I have some interest in so I’m going to make it a priority to be there on the day. I’ll be writing on one of the topics, but not sure exactly what just yet. As I was chatting with Scott today and he read me the list of topics and people he hoped to have speaking to them I told him he was starting to sound like a fight promoter. These are contentious issues in a lot of places. Scott actually said he was seeing it as an opportunity to promote unity as we listen to each other and understand each other.

There aren’t many people who could pull this kind of gig off but Scott is one of them. I like the idea and the courage to bring so many differing opinions together to listen and debate.

If you’re interested then let Scott know. The details are:

Tue 16th August

10am – 3.30pm Located at South Perth Church of Christ

Cost $5 ( to cover light lunch )

Generosity

Today we had a great session with Darryn Altclass speaking of his work with Third Place Communities in Hobart.

Like John Jensen, Darryn spoke of the fact that people who are not Christians obviously don’t feel any need or desire to hang out in churches. Therefore we need to rethink the primary question we are seeking to answer as churches.

Is it ‘how do we get people into church?’ or ought it be ‘how do we get Christians into their communities and connecting with people out there?’

This weekend rather than charging admission to the events we held, we decided to simply take an offering with all the money coming in going directly to those who were speaking.

I have to admit wondering if we’d finish up short.

Reality is we pulled probably twice as much money as we would have thru an admission fee and we were able to really support and encourage the work of those who were presenting. People were very generous and I have say I was reminded of something in that over the weekend.

When people believe in something /someone, money somehow becomes available.

Thanks to all who were generous. I am sure the guys really appreciate it!free all the pretty horses

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On a Different Note

This weekend is our FORGE storyfest.

Last night the maverick John Jenson shared stories of life on the edge, mission amongst marginal groups and the priority of working towards real christian community.

I learnt some valuable stuff off John last night – particularly that people won’t see our love for each other if it always happens in the confines of a church building. Its good for us to ‘get out’ a bit more… John

Today we listened to Ash Barker share some of his story with UNOH

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Ash told us that last year Australians spent 2 billion dollars on international aid and the exact same amount of pet care. I found this so challenging that I have decided to get rid of our dog.

After a 3 am morning and 1 am last night while watching the cricket with John I am feeling like I need a tad more sleep.

Tomorrow Daz altclass of Third Place Communities in Hobart does his thing and then I am off to speak at Parkerville Baptist church.

The week ahead doesn’t look like easing up as Danele heads up to Halls Creek from Monday to Friday while I look after the kids and try to get a normal working week in.

Its been a cruisy two weeks so I am about due to ramp it up a bit.

Forge / Carson

While the paper linked to below thou shalt not kill except divx download was intended to deal with Don Carson’s critique, the comments and emails that have been recieved would indicate a perception that Brian McClaren has been unfairly portrayed.

At least for the short term I have de-linked the paper in its current form and I’d ask that others who have it just hang onto it for a bit and not circulate it. It is not our intent to either hurt Brian McClaren or damage relations with friends in other countries. We are very sorry for the hurt this has caused and apologise for that.

As I indicated in the comments below, we are most definitely open to learning and changing and aware that we have our own blind spots (which we obviously can’t see…) It may be that after some review we still stand in a slightly different position to other groups, but its not our purpose to be adversarial and condemn our brothers.

Alan Hirsch has commented a response in Tall Skinny’s post and it is worth reading as it speaks to where we are at:

Please be assured that what we have written is not a dismissal of Emergent and certainly not a distancing from Brian McLaren and what he stands for. I have immense and abiding respect, nay, reverence, for Brian. Our primary concern in drafting this document was to try and distinguish elements that make us different in terms of nuance and focus in order to try offset the collateral damage on the Australian missional church that has, and is, sadly taking place due to Carson’s book. The context for this is that we have labored long and hard to try and establish a small beach-head of legitimacy within the broader Aussie church, and we feared (with reason) that this debate could set the cause of the emerging missional church in Australia back significantly. Unfairly so. Hence the paper.

It is quite true to say that the general issues of Emergent are not ones that we have in tended to focus on over the past few years. This is not to say that Brian’s works have not significantly advanced worldwide understanding of the issues that the church in the 21st Century must face. They certainly have. These are simply not Forge’s primary concerns. There *are* differences, but I am happy to say, with one of the other posts, that these are differences within the family.

This document is therefore not primarily aimed at those within the EC, but at its critics and at the curious onlookers in our context. What we are really asking is that those who will criticize the emerging church as we experience it, then let them fully understand what they are criticizing and not subject all people in the various worldwide expression of the EC to a critique focused on a few of its significant spokespeople–as ill-informed as Carson’s critique may sometimes be. I think many of the responses that have been given to Carson’s book have clearly exposed the many flaws in it. It was not our purpose to add one more. Please believe me that our purposes were primarily pastoral by two guys on behalf a sometimes fragile emerging phenomenon. It would be tragic to see the remarkable thing that is just beginning to happen here being cut down in its infancy for all the wrong reasons!

I am truly sorry that this might play itself out badly on brothers and sisters in common cause. We will try and limit any misunderstandings that our document might have caused. Brian, you are a legend. Stay true!

Once a document is ‘out there’ its obviously irretriveable however you may wish to not circulate it while some questions are resolved.

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Will Our Kids Suffer?

This is a question I often get asked.

As we explore new forms of church what will happen to our kids?

What if there is no Sunday School or youth group? This morning I met with Scott who serves as my ministry coach and amongst many valuable things we discussed was this question of how we raise our kids to love Jesus and to be real followers of his.

While we (Scott and I) have obviously made it thru the current system, the reality is that many many do not go beyond Sunday School or youth group. I can’t remember the exact figures but I think an NZ study showed the attrition rate to be as high as 80%.

Is this a failure of the church?

I don’t think its so much a failure of the church as perhaps failure of the family and a fact that the Jesus way is a narrow way. No matter how ‘well’ we do with our kids some will choose not to love and follow Jesus.

One of my favourite cartoons from Youthworker journal is a picture of a young person being carted off to jail by the police while parents stand there lamenting ‘where did our youth pastor go wrong?!’ In our conversation this morning we discussed the possibility that the absence of Jesus from the everyday rhtyms of family life and conversation is probably much more of a contributor to adolescent drop off than the church’s poor discipling or the absence of a youth group.

This does put responsibility for discipling squarely in the hands of the parents – where it belongs. It is not a youth pastor’s role to disciple my kids or your kids. That’s our alien movie job. Youth pastors can assist, but they are very much secondary to a healthy family where Jesus is present, visible and honoured.

I wonder if for some parents to talk about Jesus is on a par with talking about sex? Its kind of awkward and they don’t know where to start. This is possibly also generational.

We have made it a practice to talk about Jesus with our kids as openly and as regularly as we can. Its one of our favourite topics. As a person who loves to talk about Jesus anyway I am always excited when Ellie wants to talk about him. I am hopeful that as we make this an integral part of life that really good discipling will occur. If discipling is about ‘doing life together’ then there is no better setting than with our kids who watch us every day and who see what really happens in our lives.

Maybe a key to the next generation of young people and children becoming disciples is in equipping parents to think about discipleship differently and to call them to a much more engaged family spirituality.

(And if you’re wondering if the ‘timestamp’ on this post is correct… it is… I fell asleep on the couch at 7.30 for two hours and now I am wide awake…)

Might go and change the oil in the car…

Respect

Watching the news tonight it was encouraging to see the Steve Vizard and Rex Hunt stories.

Vizard gets caught for insider trading, coughs to it and apologises.

Hunt lets slip a racial slur during his commentary on Saturday. He not only apologises but offers to stop announcing.

In a world where people so often refuse to accept responsibility for their own stupidity these two stories were the kind that give you hope.

We all stuff things up. Not everyone earns respect by the way they deal with mistakes. Full cred especially to Rex Hunt for copping it on the chin and not looking to make excuses. Definitely a ‘big’ man.julius caesar free

Forge Responds to Carson

Don Carson has certainly kicked up a bit of dust lately with his book Becoming Conversant With the Emerging Church.

He is a significant biblical scholar and as such he adds weight to the number of people who critique the ’emerging church’ for its approach to mission and church.

But is he on the money?

When you write books like these you really want to make sure you have your facts straight.

As a Forge team here in Oz we have been discussing our own response to Carson. As a result Al Hirsch and Mike Frost have written a response on our behalf that details what we see happening.

It has helped us clarify our own understanding of what we are about and how we see Carson’s critique.

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When Did He Make His Tents?

If Paul was a tent-maker then I wonder when he did it.

I was chatting with a good mate today about this. We concluded he obviously didn’t have a 9-5 job. He was able to flit around the country side getting whipped beaten and stoned while he preached the gospel, so he couldn’t have held down a regular job.

Maybe he just did it when he had to? ‘Seasonal’ work?

Maybe he owned a tent-making ‘company’ and he left them to it?

Maybe he created Tentway and developed a network marketing system where he lived off a passive income produced by the poor suckers who were his downlines (Sorry – I detest network marketing)

Maybe it ws one of those skills which you could put to work in any town. So if he was in Ephesus for a while he could pick up a bit of work and then move on?

What do you think?