Conversing with Carson

September 6th should be an interesting day…

Don Carson, author of the now infamous Becoming Conversant with The Emerging Church will be in town and will be speaking in various places.

One of those gigs will be a conversation with myself and my friend/forge co-worker Geoff Westlake about the emerging church. The Baptist College will be hosting Carson as he addresses the topic of ‘the emerging church’ and Geoff and I will be there to provide some insights that might otherwise go astray.

I began reading his book again the other day, but didn’t find it super interesting. I will need to get up to speed on it by September, but so far it just isn’t grabbing me.

As I read the first half it actually seemed fairer than I had imagined, but maybe I haven’t come to the sticking points yet.

I imagine this will be an important conversation for us here in Perth. The conservative arm of the church listen carefully to Carson and co so I imagine without a right of reply we could come up looking a bit shonky.

Brian Harris the college principal has arranged for us to have breakfast with Don Carson before the meeting so that we can enter the room as ‘people’ rather than combatants, a posture I’m sure we would all rather establish.final destination 3 divx movie online

Halfway to nowhere in particular

This afternoon we got back from 9 days in the south west, catching up with youth pastors and also having something of a break.

Here’s a pic of the slowest moving creature known to mankind. Sam is never in a hurry to get anywhere. He could take 5 minutes to slowly crawl his way into the car, or half an hour to get his clothes on in the morning. He’s a very lovable little fella, but a fast paced dad and a son who has no idea of any speed above ‘crawl’ makes for an interesting mix!

I enjoy the fact that my job does allow me to get away with my family and mix ‘business and pleasure’, but this trip had a significant amount of ‘business’ in it and was not as restful as I had hoped. It wasn’t the meetings with youth pastors that were stressful, but more the planning and preparation work I did when I wasn’t with people.

I had half a holiday and got half a job done!

No wonder I am a little dissatisfied as I sit here tonight. Its my own fault as I chose to work it that way, but I could have done with a bit more extended veg time.

Strangely I used to be someone who never wanted to come home – who could travel endlessly and loved the road trip lifestyle. But in the last few years I have become increasingly fond of my own home, my own bed and the familiarity of our neighbourhood. I was looking forward to coming home today. I think part of it is having kids who need some level of routine and get bored in the absence of their toys.

I imagine if it were just Danelle and me, I’d be happy to stay on the road for a very long time, but the presence of little people does make holidays a bit more tiring.

Every time I make a successful trip in the old Landy I drive home amazed. For a 1991 4 speed manual this old bus does very very well indeed! Aside from that one fateful trip 18 months ago it has hardly missed a beat and is a brilliant old car.

The plan is simply to drive her till she drops. If that ever happens I’ll just unscrew the number plates and walk away… I remember reading a poem once about abandoned cars (might have been a Bruce Dawe) and the idea is that there is more honour in being abandoned than in being taken to the wrecker. Whatever, I just love getting around in the old girl.

Testosterone City

Last night it was standing room only at the Premier Hotel in Albany for the long awaited stoush between Anthony Mundine and Danny Green.

The Premier was the only place in the whole town showing the fight so it was packed to the gills. Standing in a crowded smoky room, full of drunken, sweaty fight fans watching two blokes beat each other senseless on a 51cm TV is a cultural experience I haven’t had and seeing as how it was my birthday I asked Danelle if she’d mind if I spent the night chalking that one up. Permission granted.

The last big fight I made an effort to watch was in year 10 when Muhammad Ali took on Joe Frazier in the ‘Thrilla in Manila’. I was in a metalwork class that ran one period before recess and one period after. During the first period about 30 of us got together and decided we would go to one bloke’s home to watch the fight (which was in the period after recess) and then we’d come back to school at lunch time. The logic was that they couldn’t bust 30 of us for wagging. Sure enough Mr Vaughn’s metalwork class went from 30 to 5 over recess and at lunchtime Ross Munro came to our group and gave us a serve for leaving school premises. We all knew he couldn’t be buggered writing notes home to each of our parents.

So Danelle, the kids and I had dinner in the CBD café, next to the pub (which was top notch) and then at 7.30, having been told by our waiter that the fight had started I baled on them to try and squeeze into the crowd and enjoy the action.

‘Where’s daddy going mum?’

‘To watch some sport”‘

How do you explain boxing to kids?”

Unfortunately it was the lead up fight that the waiter saw and the real deal didn’t kick in for another hour. So I found a spot in the doorway and made it my own for the next two hours. It was a great place to stand because it actually had some ventilation unlike the guts of the bar. The blokes nearby were fun to hang out with and it turned out to be a great night out.

The fight itself was something of an anti-climax. They were two very quick and skilled boxers who found it hard to hit each other so there was a lot of swinging and missing. I would have loved to see Mundine get belted, but Green couldn’t get close enough to lay a glove on him. Mundine reminded me of Ali in his prime – arrogant and evasive but good enough to come good on his boasts.

The pub ran out of beer around 9.00 and I left at 9.30 once the decision had been given and before the fights started.

I’m not sure how it all panned out, but I wouldn’t have wanted to be the hotel staff last night”

Trippin

Well, here we are in Albany, one of my favourite places. I have been re-reading the Turning, much of which is set here, so its nice to be in the thick of it. It’s also amazing how much you miss in a novel when you read it just once. I tend to read quickly so I know I miss more than most.

We spent a couple of days in Mandurah catching up with Steve and making a guest appearance at the Baptist assembly. In 15 years of local church involvement I have now been twice” I have to admit it was better than I imagined, but it’s still hard to imagine myself factoring these events into the diary on a regular basis. The day was well presented and well thought out, but as an experimenter and missionary it is hard not to feel like an oddity. When discussions turned to church planting and the urgent need to ‘buy land now and lots of it’ I found myself thinking ‘what the?…’ I chose not to say anything as I find it opens a whole can of worms that some days I just don’t have the energy for. Of course someone had to ask” ‘what do you think Andrew?…’

Brian Harris, the principal of our Baptist College presented an interesting spiel on the current missional landscape and suggested that when it comes to being the church in society we actually have quite an ‘open’ culture.

On a scale of 1-10 (1 being resistant and 10 being totally open and supportive) he placed West Oz as a 5. He compared this to Auckland which he said was a 3 (much more resistant) and South Africa which he rated a 10.

He argued that things like the openness to chaplains in state schools and the Gov funding for Christian schools gave us opportunities that simply weren’t present in NZ and made the gospel easier to communicate. I think on some levels he is correct, but” that would then suggest that the South African situation is the most desirable and my observation is that in any community where Christianity is the ‘norm’ it almost inevitably tends to increase the amount of nominalism. It also doesn’t take into account the rapid spread of the gospel in persecuted countries, so I tend to think the shape of our context may be more complex than Brian explained on Saturday.

From Mandurah it was off to Busselton for a few quiet days, before coming down here. Today is full of meetings and work, tomorrow is a bit quieter and then on Saturday we head up to Katanning to meet with Tim and preach on Sunday morning. Along the way I have been preparing for an .acom course on Mission and Culture I will be facilitating in Kalgoorlie in August. This is a course with some challenging concepts around the nature of church, mission and contextualisation, so it will be interesting to see how it goes over.

I’m sitting in Barcino in Middleton Loop, a cafe owned by Annette, who I met on the Getaway Retreat recently. Its a pretty cool cafe, with good coffee and free wireless access, so if you’re ever in Albany make sure you drop in.

The Burbs?

Watched American Beauty again last night at the place we are staying.

Love the blend of weird characters! But… are they so weird? Are they actually just the people who live around us? Are they us?…

Lester says “Both my wife and daughter think I’m this gigantic loser, and ? they’re right. I have lost something. I’m not exactly sure what it is, but I know I didn’t always feel this ? sedated. But you know what? It’s never too late to get it back.”

And a quote from teenage hornbag Angela… “I don’t think that there’s anything worse than being ordinary”.

Welcome to the world.

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Travelling

At lunch-time today all four of us head off for a work trip to the south of Western Oz.

I will be meeting up with and coaching youth pastors. Danelle and the kids will be relaxing and having a break. We’ll be going to Mandurah, Busselton, Albany and Katanning and saying ‘g’day’ to people as we go.

If we’re in your neck of the woods then we might even be able to meet up…

I’m sure I’ll be in touch over that time, but who knows what thoughts I’ll be having as I hang around the country folks in the wild west…eden log free download laid to rest download

Forge WA Intensive II 2006

Our second intensive for the year is approaching fast and we’d love to have you there!

The Forge Mission Training Network is the unique provider of innovative and ground breaking training for those who are seeking to take an incarnational approach to mission in contemporary Australian society.

Forge intensives are times of inspirational story telling, radical creative dreaming and vigorous conversation as together we seek to re-imagine how the gospel can penetrate and transform our communities! If you are committed to a form of discipleship that leads people beyond consumerism and into a transformative missionary lifestyle then be sure to get along to the second intensive of the year

Date: July 14-17

Times:

Fri 7.30-9.30 (Open night with an offering taken)

Sat 10.00-4.00

Sun 1.00-9.00

Mon 10.00-5.00

(Based on what we have learnt over the last two years we have tried to make the intensive shorter & more accessible to full time workers, with only one day being held outside of the weekend time slot. You can even sleep in every day and still get there )

Costs:

Waged $150.00

Unwaged $100.00

Cost/Day $50.00

Cost/Session $10.00

Venue: The Outback Centre – 315 Bagot Rd Subiaco

Key Topics

: In this intensive we will look at a range of topics including:

Christianity beyond Consumerism

A Spirituality of Activism

Everyday Spirituality

What’s so Radical About Discipleship?

Spirituality and Sexuality,

Presenters: It’s a great line up of people. At Forge we believe you can’t teach what you haven’t experienced, so all of our presenters must be people currently engaged in missionary practice in some way. This intensive will include sessions from Alan Hirsch, Deb Hirsch, Andrew Hamilton, Geoff Westlake, Jennifer Turner and Danelle Hamilton.

Hope to see you there!

For more info contact Kent at SU on 94435500 or Hamo on 0400044236

Organic Church

There are a few books that really turn a crank in you as you read them they .

For me this is one of them.

Its not rocket science. Its not a weighty theological text or a list of how tos. Its actually a very simple explanation of what church is and why we must keep it simple and do it amongst people rather than separate from them. Its not ‘lightweight’, but it is straightforward.

I love Neil’s focus on getting the church back into the world rather than hiding away in seclusion keeping ourselves safe from the nasties out there.

I get the impression Neil is a classic evangelist. We had dinner with Neil a couple of times while we in Melbourne last month and heard him speak once. He really does care for people who don’t know Jesus – and on that point I think we have some resonance.

The book has been a real encouragement just at this point in my own journey.

As always the challenge to hear what God is saying to US and not just run off with ‘Coleisms’ that actually don’t belong in the northern suburbs of West Oz.

At every turn there are decisions to be made that will either enhance complexity and limit reproducibility or that will retain simplicity and facilitate groups that can multiply. I am not programmed to think simply!