Stott on The Gospel

In the last couple of weeks Gav the friendly Anglican and I (as well as others) have been discussing download puffy chair the how we arrive at truth and how we can know things for sure. We have had a great conversation even if we haven’t always agreed.

Today Danelle & I went to Scarborough Baptist Church and Andre was speaking on eschatology, especially the whole idea of heaven and what that means and looks like. It challenged a few people as he questioned the typical view we grew up with and dug into the idea of new creation etc.

In our conversation afterwards I asked him about what I had heard re the shift in evangelical academic circles to an annihalationist view of hell and how that had happened. He told me it was primarily because John Stott had ‘shifted’ that the view had gained credibility. Because he is such a heavy hitter people pay attention. So it seems the more orthodox view of Hell as eternal conscious torment does not wash with Stott and he offers some compelling reasons for viewing things differently. (I’ll write more on that later)

However what I liked in this chapter (from Evangelical Essentials – Liberal Evangelical Dialogue) was the approach he described to how we think thru our theology and view the gospel. He suggests we need to avoid the two extremes of ‘fixity’ and ‘fluidity’.

I will offer some quotes below as I found them insightful:

“The first (extreme) is total fixity. Some Christians (including some of us Evangelicals) are in bondage to words and formulae, the prisoners of a gospel stereotype. They wrap up their message in a neat little package, almost labelled and price tagged as if destined for the supermarket. Then unless their precise schema and their favourite phraseology are used they declare that the gospel has not been preached. For many Evangelicals it used to be ‘the precious blood of Jesus’. Now for some it is being born again or justified by faith, and for others the kingdom of God…” p.329

“The opposite extreme to avoid is total fluidity… (he describes this as ‘not even knowing what the gospel is until you enter a specific context) what the advocates of total fluidity seem not to have noticed is that alongside the New Testament’s rich diversity of gospel formulation, there is an underlying unity which binds the different formulations together.”

Stott suggest that both extremes make valuable points:

a) Fixity = “the gospel is revealed and received – we did not invent it”

b) Fuidity = “the gospel needs to be contextualised and related to the specific person or people group otherwise it is irrelevant.”

I found these helpful and humble words from a man who would have more right than most of us to see his views as ‘correct’. And I would add, if we need to live with the tension of fixity and fluidity in relation to the gospel then how much more in relation to more tenuous or less central theological understandings…

Favourite Metaphor?

What is your favourite metaphor or ‘image’ for church?

It seems there are plenty out there, some biblical (eg ‘flock’) and some contemporary.

The primary one that has been resonating most strongly with me lately is that of a (healthy) extended family. The self organising nature of family, the way old can hang with young yet still allow freedom, the way families support each other & help out, and the way they handle ‘quirky’ members all feels like the kind of community a church ought to be when its functioning well.

What works for you?

Brian McLaren’s new book

Guest blogger in the backyard: Jarrod McKenna

Forge has said of Brian McLaren that he is “one of the most influential leaders in the Western Church” today. Brian McLaren has been amazingly supportive of my work and EPYC.

Today in the mail I received an opportunity to bless this brother back. His publisher has sent me his newest book “Everything Must Change: Jesus, Global Crises, and a Revolution of Hope” to review before it’s released later this year.

In the mean time here is a review of Brian’s last book a brilliant popularisation of some of the biggest theological influences on me (N.T. Wright, John H. Yoder, Walter Wink, Walter Brueggemann and my mentor and professor for biblical ethics Dr. Lee Camp) called “What Emerging out of the Emerging Church”.

Below is a short clip of Brian reading from his new book and Brian’s thoughts what Our Peace Tree Community and Empowering Peacemakers (aka EPYC):

Brian McLaren“In my travels around the world, I see a lot to inspire cynicism -including a lot of shabby religious stuff I’d rather not even give examples of. But I also meet people who inspire hope and courage in me -emerging young leaders who “get” Jesus’ message of the kingdom of God, and who are living it and giving it away. They see the integral nature of mission – that it brings together God and humanity, humanity and creation, grace and nature, contemplation and action, evangelism and social justice, faith and politics, the making of disciples and the making of peace. Jarrod McKenna and friends are beautiful examples of this new breed of emerging integral leaders. I thank God for them. May their tribe increase!” Brian McLaren

link to video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mLbrVHHJc]

Missional Inspirations II – ‘The Joondalup Thing’

I haven’t been inundated with stuff, so this thing may not fly after all… But I did hear from Scott! So here goes…

The Joondalup Thing, Perth, Western Australia

1. Who is the community you are interacting with? ie what is your context and where have you seen a need? (The more specific the better here. divx nympha )

Our context is similar to Hamo’s in Brighton, predominantly white middle class Aussie suburbanites.

OUr group are people mostly all living within a 5 minute drive of one another in the city of Joondalup, WA.

Who we are serving? Well we serve people we interact with essentially. Mainly our own neighborhood.

The need… well, that’s just it. It is the suburban perception of a lack of need that is the very need that exists. Meaning – consumerism has so dulled the senses of most middle class Aussies that they feel they have no needs other than their next purchase.

2. What is the heart of the project? What are you doing and how are you doing it?

Some of these questions make me uneasy, not because they are bad questions, but they force me to think about things that make me a little uncomfortable!

The heart of the project… I would say it began with a group of believers disillusioned with large traditional, structured church and all that went with it. We began meeting as an alternative to this. We wanted to reframe and rethink issues of – Leadership, Giving, Teaching, Structure, Mission, Lifestyle and more.

We meet mostly weekly, sometimes more. We meet every Wed night for a meal, conversation and most often optional group discussion and/or bible study and prayer in the lounge. Aside from that we meet on some Sundays for a more interactive/alt-worship style experience that includes the kids.

As well as these formal meetings we have a fairly high weekly/daily interactivity with many in the group. So to us ‘church’ consists of Wed nights, some Sundays, some people gathering for prayer/accountability triplets, random meetings and interaction during the week.

One other interesting thing to note, is that although I (Scott Vawser) am often seen as the spokesperson for the group, I have no official role, position or responsibility for the group. We have no ‘leader’ or ‘pastor’. We are trying to manage our way through the maze of consensus and all that means… not an easy path for some! This whole area presents many challenges for me personally, too many to enter into right here.

For me…simply put, I love Neil Cole’s Organic/Simple Church concept, and would love to be part of a team of people passionately embracing the need to reach out to a lost and hurting world introducing these people and their environments to a new way of living and being…a new kingdom! I would like to plant many more small church communities… maybe one day!

3. How is the gospel expressed in what you are doing?

We have many discussions on environmental issues (a gospel issue to us!), some actively seek to live in more sustainable ways, we have studies on social justice issues and encourage individuals to act in ways according to their own conscience and conviction with regards to this, and the same goes for sharing the Jesus story – people engage in proclamation to the degree they are comfortable with this.

Some are reframing their theologies and would like less “mission” talk and action, some would like much more! As a group we feel passionate about equipping each other to engage in mission, however that looks for each person, rather than making ‘group projects’ and ‘activities’ that all are expected to attend.

4. How is it going and what have you been learning?

It depends on who you speak to! I think there is a new freedom for many people to express themselves in new ways. Some have found that worship can look different every week… every day! Others have discovered that being told what to do, how to behave, what to believe and when to stand up, sit down, clap etc is far easier that ‘making it all up as you go’, they are frequently found sitting in a traditional worship services at a local church building.

Leadership is needed to actually move anywhere. Just what form that leadership takes is a whole other discussion, but I have discovered “a whole bunch of people eating together” is not a mission statement that gets you much more than… a whole bunch of people eating together! Albeit a great bunch of people, and a great time had together in so many ways.

In the words of Neil Cole, our DNA (Dynamic Truth, Nurturing Relationships and Apostolic Mission) is not divided neatly into thirds. I think we have it like this right now; Divine Truth (15%) Nurturing Relationships (80%) and Apostolic Mission (5%). (Cole – Organic Church)

Al Hirsch put it well when he said of our group recently, “Oh you have an emerging church, not an emerging missional church!”

Obviously these percentages are just my interpretation of the group as a whole, a kind of average. Individual percentages/opinions may look vastly different.

There are some lessons, very valuable lessons I have been learning about the way we think of church and the way we ‘do’ church. I have not one regret for having launched into this experiment and affirmed recently to my Mum 🙂 that I was not returning to “church as we knew it Jim”! (yes, God, still open if u so desire!!) What we have may morph and not stay as it is, but the adventure of it all is captivating and challenging!

5. What would you do differently if you could?

I think all the ‘mistakes’ (if you want to call them this) we have made have been part of the learning for us. Maybe the biggest one I would like to go back and change is that the first year or so, there was a lot of hurt and detoxing from past experiences of pain from traditional church.

This tended to result in some cynical, gossipy conversations at times (all from me of course, no one else is a sinner like me!!! ha). We are pretty much over that now and have moved on, but it did not help the way some others viewed us and it did not set a great tone to start out on this adventure of rediscovering CHURCH 🙂

Thanks Scotty! If anyone else wants to offer their reflections then we’d love to hear it 🙂

Gandhi and ‘prosperity gospel’

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 Jarrod McKenna‘s Wednesday’s with Gandhi:

“It is my firm opinion that [the West] today represents not the spirit of God or Christianity but the spirit of Satan. And Satan’s successes are the greatest, when he appears with the

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name of God on his lips. [The West] today is only nominally Christian. In reality, it is worshipping Mammon. ‘It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle that for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Thus really spoke Jesus Christ. His so-called followers measure their moral progress by their material possessions.”

-Gandhi (Speeches & Writings of M. Gandhi: p.336, Feb. 14, 1916)

  • Would you agree with Gandhi that society at large worships Mammon (money)?

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  • Even more so today then in Gandhi’s time society seems possessed with a way of life that feeds on domination, silent oppression and exploits God’s good earth. Is this the spirit of God? Is this the spirit of Christianity? Is this as Gandhi says ‘the spirit of satan’?
  • Have you heard ‘It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle that for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven’ taught about the dangers of Mammon? Have you heard it taught the dangers of a wrong attitude while you hoard? What do you think about how Gandhi uses the text?

time coverWhat about Gandhi’s comments about “His so-called followers measure their moral progress by their material possessions.” Gandhi’s comments where even before ‘prosperity gospel’ was popular. Is it more true now?

Going Deeper:

Consider spending sometime meditating on Luke 18: 18-29 simply asking God ‘how can I witness to your love in what I do with what you have given me’

the sounds of peacemaking

Guest blogger in the backyard: Jarrod McKenna ransom download

Rodney OlsonIn light of the APEC protest and the violence of the priority of profits over confronting global warming and poverty, here is the interview that Rodney Olson (pictured left) from Sonshine FM did when I became the youngest person to ever be awarded the Donald Groom Peace Fellowship for my work in forwarding nonviolent social change for (eco)justice with EPYC. (Almost makes me sound half respectable!)

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In Rodney’s words, “We covered a lot of ground and tried to lookat some of the big questions. We explored whether Christianity really promotes non-violence in all situations? If we believe that to be the case how do we the reconcile that with the religious right’s belief that George W. Bush is carrying out God’s will by taking his nation to war?”

sincerity trumped by selling sex

Guest blogger in the backyard: Jarrod McKenna

“What does APEC stand for?” asked one agitated protestor to the scantily-clad young women.

Neither could give her an answer.

“I think that was actually the most ridiculous thing I have seen in my life,” said a 14-year-old protestor, who was attending the rally with her mother.

“Trying to sell sex when we’re trying to get a point across,” the disappointed young girl said.

The Zoo girls arrived first, with five models in bikini tops and tiny shorts drawing the majority of the cameras away from the protest itself — much to the organisers’ dismay.

here’s the full article