Thinking Tribally

While I was up north a few weeks back on holidays I was reflecting on the task of mission in suburbia – by that I mean helping people encounter Jesus, and hopefully choose to follow him and become part of a community of faith.

We were in One Arm Point an aboriginal community 300 km down a dirt track from Broome. It is beyond the backside of nowhere.

In an aboriginal culture ‘community’ is a high priority as it seems is true for many more ‘tribal’ cultures (I was also reading Christianity Rediscovered) and the result is that when people become Christians they often do so en masse or at least in families.

Down here in the city when people become Christians they do it individually.

The issue it poses for us is then one of forming community in a society that normally avoids community. In ‘tribal’ cultures they get this aspect of discipleship working easier because communalism is already in their DNA.

For us individualism rules the DNA so when a person comes to faith we then have a harder task of somehow integrating them into a community.

It started me thinking that maybe we ought to intentionally live more tribally in the suburbs. It’d take some getting used to, and it would be radically counter-cultural, but I reckon it might be a missing link in the mission equation.

While we allow people to follow Jesus individually and don’t insist on tribal connection we will always find it hard.

So, my question is, who is your tribe? Who are you connecting with outside of the church who would actually be in your ‘tribe?

Over the last few years we have been knitting into a tribe and finding it a whole new way of living. I don’t know what will come of it in a kingdom sense, but I do thin it makes more sense than the typical western way of life.

So What?

Sometimes when I speak to people about what we are doing in Brighton and how I see mission working out in suburbia they say to me ‘but isn’t that just what normal Christians are supposed to do?

I can only say ‘yes – that is what normal Christians are supposed to do…’

The problem is that they often don’t…

There is very little rocket science in discipleship – but the fact that the word ‘disciple’ also associates with words like ‘discipline’ might give a clue as to why some do and others watch.

Reality is if every person who calls them-self a follower of Jesus actually started doing the very simple stuff of discipleship then I wonder if we wouldn’t witness a huge shift in the equilibrium of our communities.

Unfortunately no matter whether you are running a mission order or a megachurch people will cruise. Maybe one ought to weed out the cruisers better than the other, but we will never escaoe it.

Seventh Day Adventists on the Move in WA

Over the last couple of years its has been great to get to know Glenn Townend the new (ish) leader of the movement. Glenn came to West Oz from Victoria with plans of planting churches and has actually made it happen!

Many people talk about it, plan for it but don’t actually do it. Glenn is also very open to diversity and variety recognising that we won’t connect with everyone using a ‘one size fits all’ approach.

It was refreshing and encouraging to meet with Glenn and Phil Brown today to discuss the partnership we (Forge WA) will be establishing with them. These guys are fantastic thinkers and actually get on with the job. I like it – almost made me want to become an SDA!

While we’re on SDA’s Peter Roennfeldt has a new blog up and running. Peter is right in the know on church planting and diverse expressions of church, so if you want to know what’s happening around the world drop in and check it out. The other Adventist blog that I have noticed recently is here and relates to the emerging missional church scene.

Conciliation and Confrontation

On Friday as I was on the way home from Leederville on the train my phone rang and I finished up in a conversation with Gaz and Stu about how we should behave towards those we disagree with or believe to be in error in some way.

The question that often gets raised is ‘to what extent do we challenge and confront and to what extent do we ignore differences because we are all ‘on the same team’ and ‘unity’ is more important?

Its a tough issue, because there is no question the body of Christ is larger than many of us have ever imagined, yet at the same time there are some core truths that we ought to fight for.

Of course one of the immediate issues we need to deal with is our own assumption that we are the ones who are correct on any given issue… always tricky.

The older I get the fewer are the issues I will fight for. By the same token if I’m going to get in a scrap then I’ll be going in hard and there may well be blood on the floor as a result. I don’t fight much, but I do fight hard.

One of the generally recognised functions the ’emerging church’ has in the global arena is that of a prophetic voice – calling the church back to the main issues and challenging indulgence, excess and mistaken priorities.

(I interrupt this post for a caveat – there are many generalisations in this post – if that bugs you then stop reading or get over it :))

So the question that comes up is ‘how do you serve as a prophetic voice while also keeping relationship with those who you are sharing the journey with those who are brothers and sisters?’ And then perhaps even more critical is ‘when do you choose to make a call that will result in division? What is really worth fighting for?’

I like a much quoted Hirschism (although he probably snaffled it off somebody else) which says “that which you criticise you must first love” and also a Richard Rohrism, “the best critique of the bad is the practice of the better“.

I agree with Rohr, but I also see the need to sometimes say ‘enough is enough’. There are times when we allow pure heresy to co-exist alongside truth because it is easier. Perhaps the classic example is ‘prosperity doctrine’ in all its various guises. I’m happy to come out swinging on this one because it is the antithesis of the gospel and it needs regular kicks in the goolies.

But then there are other issues that really do require some critique but which seem to receive less attention. Do we ask the question often enough of why we have such huge dedicated worship buildings, why we spend so much on paid staff (who often serve us), why pastors are regularly put on a pedestal and treated as super-saints, why tithing is preached as though it were law, why ‘excellence’ glorifies God more than a bloody good try, why the primary KPI’s in churches are bums, bucks and buildings, why radical discipleship seems like optional discipleship, why… I could g on and you could form your own list.

Now before you get ancy about my list, I’m not really interested in debating the merits or de-merits of some of those things, but i am interested in debating how we know what we ought to go into bat on. What is worth a stoush and what is worth leaving alone?

The guys asked me whether my own choice to usually walk a more conciliatory line was because of funding from denominations – a fair question. And to be honest, while money makes our lives much easier and helps us do our ministry better if it ever came to a question of compromising or softening our message so we can eke a few more bucks out of established church leaders then I would pull up stumps and walk away.

We have been faced with that already. We have had threats of funding being withdrawn because we don’t tow the party line. The funding is essentially my salary, but as far as I concerned if we have to kiss somebody’s butt to get it then they can keep it. No issue. God has always provided us with $$$ and we certainly aren’t about to bow and scrape to get it.

My choice to (generally) take a conciliatory tack is less about unity per se and more about the fact that the world we live in has some realities that do constrain us. While ideals are wonderful and essential I am well aware that ‘we do need to meet somewhere‘ and that our meeting place can’t always be someone’s home, that someone needs to lead and often that person invests more time as a consequence and so it goes on.

Perhaps its when our realities take the place of our ideals that I get most toey – when we make church based decisions based on business principles rather than imagining how a family may function. Sadly I think this is the case for many churches in the western world and this does require a rocket.

I am still pondering this one as its a really important question.

Its too easy to put yourself out there as a ‘prophetic voice’ and only be prophetic about the things that annoy you! We all have blind spots and areas where we are plain ignorant, that we would not be prophetic about.

So any time we stand up to offer a critique of our brothers and sisters, it must be done with great humility and awareness of our own fallenness. Arrogant, opinionated people rarely get heard.

Forge Talks

I have just added two new audio sessions to the forgewa website.

On Sunday we had Darryn Altclass the director of Forge Tas and leader of ThirdPlace Communities blow in for a short time and I managed to get him to do a brief 30 minute presentation on their work in the pubs and clubs of Hobart. Its only a short intro but if you’re interested in incarnational mission then Daz is well worth listening to. He describes their work in about 10 minutes and then fields questions. Go to the forgewa site to access the talk.

I have also added my own session on contextualisation and the challenges posed to us here in the suburbia. To me it always feels easier to think like a missionary in a different culture, but here at home its difficult to distinguish what is cultural and what is gospel. Its called ‘Beyond the Horizon – C1-C6 in Suburbia’. The last 10 minutes got chopped off because the recorder was full, but you’ll get the idea if you listen to the first part of it!

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Married?… Or not?…

Ok – here’s one for the armchair theologians to pontificate on…

I was chatting with a mate today who is a full time Christian worker. The conversation went like this:

Me: “So are you guys married yet?” (I knew his wedding was coming up divx squid and the whale the )

Dave: “Yeah – we are – two weeks now”

Me: “Great – you got married in the ‘bush’, is that right?”

Dave: “Yeah – down south – a great day”

Me: “Who married you?”

Dave: “A guy in our church – Brad”

Me: “Oh, ok. Is he a marriage celebrant? Or did someone else sign it off?”

Dave: “No. No one signed it off”

Me: “Oh…” (I begin to wonder about the implications of this…)

Me: “So what does that mean then?”

Dave: “Well we are married, but we haven’t done the paper work.”

We went on to talk some more and explored the question briefly. But this raises some interesting questions doesn’t it?

My friend believes that under ‘common law’ he and his wife are married. She came up later and was wearing a name with his surname on it. She had ‘taken’ his name. But when they bought air tickets recently she had to go under her maiden name because they are not officially recognised as a maried couple.

However if they co-habit for a year then our society deems them to be ‘married’.

My questions in all of this are quite simple:

When are a couple actually married?

Can ‘biblical’ marriage exist independent of ‘societal/legal marriage’? I.e. Can you be married in the eyes of God but not the state?

Now my friend will probably be reading this, so share your views with that in mind. As we spoke I asked him for permission to start a discussion on here and he agreed as he was interested in the views that others would have. (That doesn’t mean ‘hold back’, but it does sometimes shape how we respond if we know the person concerned is reading.)

I’ll offer my two bobs worth first up – at the risk of being rude… In my view he and his partner would be married in the original biblical meaning of the concept, but given that we are required to comply with state law I would suggest that they are not married legally here in West Oz until the paperwork is done.

I know they intend to do the paperwork, but more as a matter of convenience as they see themselves as fully married after their wedding ceremony.

This marriage question is a significant one for missionaries and church planters, because we will always be dealing with co-habiting couples and we need to know how to respond with both grace and truth.

So… what do you reckon?

For example…

For those who may be wondering what these Aussie emerging churches look like here’s the latest newsletter of Third Place Communities in Tassie. These guys do some great stuff, are very well thought out and I’d be proud to be associated with them.

If you want to read a short series of stories about new initiatives in church planting – most with an ’emerging’ edge then you shoul also get a hold of the latest Victorian Baptist Witness.

If the seeds of the future are found in experimentation then there is much to be hopeful about.

The Carson Conversation Final Reflections

Ok, so far I’ve given you my take on ‘what happened’. I haven’t offered a lot of comment and interestingly – despite this being one of the most read posts ever on my blog – nor have you…

Maybe there isn’t enough worthy of comment yet, or maybe this is one of those issues that makes us a little uneasy.

If we comment publicly we risk choosing a side, or alienating one group of people… Fair enough, but I’m going to give some of my own random reflections on the experience. Feel free to agree, disagree or lurk… (as I write this another punchy comment comes in from the rev – some people aren’t shy about speaking up!)

1. The real problem with doing some reflection on what we need to hear is that its very hard when you are in the thick of it. I think it would be equally difficult for Don to offer a fair critique of Calvinism! So the rest of this is offered with that caveat. I think I do a pretty fair job of listening to others so if you want to offer some thoughts on what I have missed then go for it.

2. Perhaps one of the most unsurprising and yet critical observations to emerge from this conversation is the fact that if it is hard to define the EC then it will be even harder to critique it fairly.

There simply is no EC stance on issues – no EC doctrinal statement – no EC creed of any form at all. John has indicated in his most recent comment that he and I probably see things differently theologically – and although I’m not sure exactly what he means I’m sure he’s on the money. That said, there is no question in my mind at all over the commitment John has to Christ and the authenticity of his faith.

Perhaps the critique that is offered of the EC would be better received if it were not given (by some) with the implication that many of us are probably no longer Christians. In the face of those kinds of comments I do get tempted to sign up for a crazy liberal theological position just out of frustration. Usually its only the more wacky ‘reformed’ bloggers who make these suggestions, but others sometimes walk a thin line too.

3. I am still confounded that a diverse worldwide movement was judged on the basis of very limited and selected writings. I will agree that Carson does make some valid points in assessing BMac in Generous Orthodoxy, but I have never read anything by Steve Chalke, Robert Webber or Dan Kimball!… and I think I qualify as some kind of leader in this scene.

Sivin makes the point that even if there is some validity of this stuff to the English speaking western world, there is still Asia and Africa to consider. Do they fit the critique also? Sivin – I’d love to hear your take on it all.

4. At first I thought Carson had done some damage to the way we are perceived here in Perth, but after Wednesday I think he may have actually helped to put us on the map in a more substantial way.

How ironic!

He did make a point of saying he felt we were not a deviant group and were unlikely to veer into eccentricity. After the event on Wednesday I had many people speaking very positively of what we were doing as a result of being there. I think he portrayed us (locally) quite positively and I think we were able to speak clearly also in defining our core identity.

5. Let’s take some time to look at Carson’s critique a little more closely and see what we ought to pay attention to.

Here are his concerns again:

– understanding of modernism and post-modernism is limited

– avoidance of truth claims / inability to speak of knowing something certainly

– accomodation of pomo rather than critique

– sloppy about history / exegesis

– need to learn to listen more to what scripture actually says

– need to be more careful to avoid sectarianism

As I read this I am happy to say they are all valid to some extent somewhere in the EC movement.

I am also happy to say that they are also valid to some extent somewhere in the evangelicalism.

That’s not a cop out!

Read them thru and apply them to the ‘church down the road’ and to a greater or lesser degree I am sure you will be able to get them all to have some resonance.

If I had to choose some issues to say ‘yes’ to, then I’d sign on to the final warning about sectarianism. There is always the danger of creating divisions and polarising, not what we are about (see Geoff’s section) Of course the publishing of the book actually contributed to a further marginalisation of the ECs as churches became somewhat more skeptical and other significant leaders (Piper etc) began to speak out also. So in a sense the sectarianism was actually foisted on us by the critique.

Hmmm… This idea of looking for what we need to hear isn’t going so well is it?

6. Ok – I’ll forget Don’s critique and do my own. Every year at the first Forge intensive in Perth I do a session entitled ‘A Good look in the Mirror for the EMC’ (although I am thinking of retitling it to ‘A Good look in the mirror of the EMC here in Perth in 200x because obviously this is a slippery issue!)

My critiques at the start of this year were:

Pendulum swinging (leadership/structure/evangelism/music) I suspect there are some doing the opposite of what they have always known because they just don’t want to go there again.

Fragility (leader dependent?) As with most effective groups quality leadership does make a big difference. Remove the leader and what happens?

Are we making disciples? (or have we just moved the consumers around a little) This is the end game – the (not so) simple assessment of our effectiveness. If we aren’t doing this any better then let’s not be too quick to critique.

It looks like a church” (you gotta meet!) In pursuing a more missionary lifestyle we still need to meet in some shape or form. How we do that is still an issue.

Foolish idealism (we can create the perfect church!!) Very few of these folks go the distance. Starting a new missional community is too disappointing for them.

A lack of genuine working models – there still aren’t too many in our city and it’d be great to have a few more gutsy pioneers put their hand to the plough and make it happen.

The Bitch Factor (its very easy to de-construct”) No explanation needed really…

The kids/youth? (if its important enough for us”) Always a struggle for any group under 100 strong, but I’m not convinced we need to be as concerned as we sometimes are.

– Fluffy evangelism (Jesus of the cross?) relational evangelism can sometimes be evangelism by osmosis. You need to speak up at some point and make some truth claims.

Sustainability (the mission / meeting balance) We are still figuring out how to get the balance right in a busy suburban life.

Biblical literacy – in a mission team where people are expected to ‘feed themselves’, rather than coming to slurp from the trough each Sunday, reality they often don’t…

I guess there is a little overlap here with Don’s critique.

Anyway…

This post is already long enough!

So for those who can see my blind spots feel free to arc up and leave a comment about what you feel we can learn from Don.

I’d be interested to see how you feel my own critique lines up with Don’s… or maybe its just time to kiss this one goodnight and get on with the job…