Stages of Faith / Stages of Church?

Duncan has written a very useful summary of Fowler’s stages of faith and has made some comments on how they relate to churches, based on Alan Jamieson’s work on ‘Churchless Faith. I have italicised Duncan’s stuff and the made a few comments below.

To explain what he means by growth in faith Alan draws on the work of James Fowler, especially as it’s found in “Stages of Faith: The Psychology of Human Development and the Quest for Meaning”.

1. Innocent (Intuitive-Projective).

Little awareness of belief patterns – typically found in very young children.

2. Literalist (Mythical – Literal)

Security is found in literal beliefs, rules, and authoritative teaching. Usually found in the faith patterns of children.

3. Loyalist (Synthetic-Conventional)

Belief is conformist, acutely tuned to expectations and judgments of others. There is a strong sense of the peer group, expressed in belonging in the church community. Belief is often expressed in dualisms – us and them, right and wrong. Usually found in teenage patterns of faith.

4. Critic (Individuative-Reflective)

There is an emergence of new sense of self taking responsibility for actions, beliefs and values. Often this is a painful experience. There is a new objectification – the examination of beliefs, values and expectations that have been received up to now. Often young/early adults develop their own sense of faith or drop it altogether in this stage.

5. Seer (Conjunctive)

Belief develops again, with the capacity to hold together polar tensions. There is a growing awareness and acceptance of ambiguity, complexity and paradox. Once again the believer is able to engage in symbol and myth. There is an openness to other traditions and communities. This is a point usually reached in mid life and can be the result of ‘mid life crisis’.

6. Saint (Universalising)

Preservation of self is removed from the centre or focus of an individual’s life. There is a shift in motivation to complete acceptance of the ultimate authority of God in all aspects of life.

It seems to me that most Evangelical churches, particularly program-oriented congregations, when considering their Christian education needs, are working on the stage three level. Participation in the congregation’s programs is valued highly. Lone rangers are considered with suspicion or concern. Approved curriculum is preferred over open questioning and exploration.

I liked Alan’s thesis where he argues that many of those who would be considered of ‘churchless faith’ ilk are actually there not because they no longer want to follow Christ, but because they have chosen to ask questions that do not fit the system and the system has vomited them out.

Many people actually engage with the questions of discipleship in a much more rigourous way than in allowed in Stage 3 churches. For that reason they get labelled as agitators, stirrers or just difficult people.

May our churches be places where stages 4-6 are welcomed and valued.

A Living Parable

Shaun was once a brilliant footballer and certainly ‘one of the boys’ at the local footy club. He was destined for great things on the football field – surely a star in the making – and his mates reckoned he was a bit of a legend both on the field and off.

Then one day he ‘found God’ and football didn’t matter any more. He still enjoyed it, but it didn’t occupy the same place in his life or his heart.

I saw Shaun last week. He is an old friend and someone I hope to stay in touch with as much as distance permits. Yesterday I went to a movie with one of those blokes who played footy with Shaun.

We discussed that period of life. ‘What happened?…’ M asked. ‘One minute he was into footy and the next he found God? How does a bloke shift his life like that?’

25 years later this question still puzzled him…

Shaun’s life was a livng parable – a story that spoke of hope, but did so in a way that aroused curiosity.

As I was praying this morning I felt like God was saying our lives ought to be ‘living parables’. Stories that engage people yet also puzzle them – that cause them to question and seek more – that tell a story of God’s kingdom in a visible compelling way.

Shaun did that.

We are a Mega-Church

Yes, that’s right.

Upstream Communities is a megachurch.

Ok so when you think mega church you instantly think of 5000 people or more, but that’s not what I mean. Maybe we can expand the definition?

If mega = Surpassing other examples of its kind; extraordinary then surely we could claim to be a ‘mega’ -church. We could also claim that our ‘church’ is 2 billion strong, because we are members of The Church…

So are we a mega-church?

In popular parlance mega-church has a well accepted meaning and there is a plethora of associated imagery. Large buildings, CEO pastors, huge budgets, multiple programs you know the drill.

So if I were to call us a mega-church you’d wonder what I was on about… No?…

So why would a large contemporary church choose to call themselves an ’emerging missional church’?

This question has me puzzled. What is going on here?…

Any thoughts?

Us… A mega-church… its a little absurd isn’t it?

Atheist Selling Jesus

How would a secular marketing bloke market the church to Aussie pagans?

Here’s the result.

A few quotes to whet your appetite:

“I’ve had lots of clients wanting to update their image,” says the Melbourne strategy director of FutureBrand. “But I don’t think I’ve ever come across one that has quite as many problems as the church.”

Why Jesus? “That was the only place we had to go,” Kinnaird says. The research shows that the church is almost an insurmountable obstacle to the campaign. “The church was seen as the problem, not the solution,” he says.

“The problem we detected from our research was that a lot of Australians see Christianity as being for losers,” Kinnaird says. “Focusing on personal crisis as the reason for talking to the church would simply reinforce the existing perception that the Christian church is a place for people who have failed.”

Surely it’s a stretch to separate the son of God from religion? “Jesus wasn’t about religion, when you read him,” Kinnaird insists. “I’m a self-confessed atheist brought up in a religious school. Rereading the Bible, Jesus is quoted as making the explicit point that people who consider themselves pious but don’t behave in a way that’s consistent with piety are the least worthy.” And often the ritual and trappings of the church just get in the way of the message, he says.

Personally I doubt this is money well spent (I think the marketers doubt this is money well spent) but I am interested in the line an atheist marketing guy takes when he is given such a task.

When you’re a missionary who plants ‘churches’ its pretty difficult to read this kind of stuff, because it makes you wonder if its ever gonna go anywhere. The perceptions are so negative out there. And yet at the same time I feel what Bill Hybels says when he says ‘the local church is the hope of the world’. (yes, if you want to be pedantic – Jesus is the hope of the world – but he hopes his church will get off its butt and do what its supposed to do)

Thanks Hirschy for the heads up.

Bullock revises

There are some interesting posts over at Signposts where Geoff Bullock has had some re-writes of some of his most popular songs posted by Phil & Dan.

The songs look almost the same but have some significant differences in flavour. Its amazing what a few knocks can do for your image of God. Geoff is engaged in the discussion so if you’re a worship music fan head on over for an interesting discussion.

Falling in Love With Jesus?

It was going so well.

I was reading Richard Foster’s article on spiritual formation and finding myself engaging with everything he was saying. Then this statement stumped me:

“In practicing the Spiritual Disciplines we are simply learning to fall in love with Jesus over and over and over again.” ben hur a tale of the christ dvdrip

Is that really what we are doing?

At the Forge Summit Mike Frost was speaking of how our world has idealised romantic love and made it into the highest form of love. And how as the church we have copied this and now see ‘falling in love’ with Jesus as the ultimate goal.

He was arguing that in this notion of love we are simply becoming products of our culture. Does Jesus really want us to ‘fall in love with him?’

He does restraint dvd download want us to love him and I am absolutely sure that such love does involve our feelings, but I am with Frosty on this one. When we need to ‘fall in love’ we speak of our love for Jesus in the same terms as a teenage infatuation rather than as a long term marriage commitment that sometimes has its deep passionate intimacy and sometimes has long periods when that is not there (or is my marriage just a lousy one?)

As much as it feels kinda rude to disagree with a mind like Foster’s, I believe the practice of spiritual disciplines is not to make us fall in love with Jesus, but to help us become more like him. In this we express out love for him – by doing what he says and allowing him to guide our actions even when we don’t feel like it.

What do you think? Am I missing something here?

New Age, New Spiritualities DIY Spiritualities, whatever you call it

This Sunday I begin a three week series at Parkerville Baptist on the ‘New Age’ or whatever you choose to call it.

Week 1 will be convincing people of the importance of this movement and describing it
Week 2 will be along the lines of what we can learn from the New Age
Week 3 will be ways we can connect with new agers.

I did this series 3 years ago and its still one of my favourites. Its kinda ‘new age for dummies’ – a whole bunch of my own reading condensed and translated into the language of the average punter in the second row.

I’ve learnt a lot since then too, but as I reviewed it today, it seemed that it was reasonably close to the mark.

I’m not precious about sharing resources, copyright etc so if any of you want to do something similar and would like notes and powerpoint stuff then email me and I’l send it thru.

Well… why wouldn’t you?

This bloke is coming to Perth again this week.

I am interested in going to hear him, but I’m not sure I’d get a seat. I heard that last time he came he was ‘sold out’. I find it unusual because he isn’t overly inspiring in his ads.

But when you look at his website and see what he is offering its not hard to see why he pulls the punters.

One: Decipher Your Life’s Journey
How and why have you been set up to live out certain experiences. How your subconscious mind is loaded with hidden programs which determine what you are destined to deal with and live out. Why are you here, what can you do to free yourself from the past and what is your own true path.

Two: The Real Purpose of Relationships
How to enjoy highly successful relationships, with your partner, children and friends. Attract and recognise the right partner for you. Enter one to one relationships ensuring you have the information to guide it to success Understand what relationships truly have to offer, what their real purpose is. How to encourage your children to be the best they can.

Three: Career & Creative Power
How to discover your most rewarding career. What you need to do to become more respected and successful at it. Learn the secrets of releasing your subconscious for creative solutions to all issues in your life and creative expression in the artistic or professional fields.

Four: Financial Independence
What is necessary to do to secure financial independence. Unlock subconscious blocks to allowing money into your life. Imbibe the laws of how money is made. Learn the unavoidable steps to achieving your financial goals

Five: Health, Fitness, Weight loss and Rejuvenation
The latest scientific information on rejuvenation (reversing aging) and increasing your active lifespan. Permanent weight loss in the easiest way. Dealing with disease in a holistic and natural way. Necessary steps to fitness, strength, stamina, flexibility and good health. Discover the health and lifestyle secrets of those groups of peole who live regularly over a 100 years.

Six: Confidence, Certainty, Personal Power and Self Esteem
How to develop the new behaviours and characteristics you want. Becoming a strong and centred person. What is necessary to gain appreciation and admiration from others. How to be influential and compelling. Awakening intuition.

Seven: Increasing Energy, Bliss and Self Realisation.
True freedom from the patterns of the past. Understanding your energy system and increasing its potential. Opening to bliss. Consciously exploring your Inner universe and the Dream World. Extra sensory perceptions. Merging with your organic intelligence. Raising your level of consciousness.

I wonder if those topics would make an interesting alternative to the Alpha course?

We might have to re-package the content a little, but I think the gospel speaks to all of those issues.

Swimming Upstream – The Core of The Problem

In church we often speak of ‘the great commission’.

We think we know the great commission pretty well. Do you?…

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Over the last week I have asked people to tell me Matt 28:18-20, not trying to be a smartarse, but just to see what comes out. No one has got it right and invariably it is something like this I hear:

"go into all the world and make disciples, baptising and teaching them and surely I am with you always"

Now, maybe its become incredibly obvious to me because I am seeing it as a problem everywhere at the moment, but did anyone pick the key two words that are missing from that rendering of those verses?

In case you are wondering the missing words need to be inserted after teaching and they are ‘to obey’. I am starting to realise more and more that in evangelicalism we have been very obsessed with teaching, but not so concerned with obedience. We pack people’s heads with knowledge and call that discipleship, when in reality if we are not teaching people to actually do what Jesus says then its all just a waste of time.

Its one of the problems we have with sermons. We preach new ones every week, and the poor buggers in the pews haven’t got round to doing last week’s sermon let alone having the energy to ‘do’ another sermon.

Perhaps it begs a whole new way of approaching discipleship?

Maybe we need to go a bit slower and actually start to do more and be less concerned with how much we pack into the brain?

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Not rocket science, but still this is what I reckon has been at the core of the problem for the church in the west. We have some of the best educated non-disicples in the world in our churches. If we are going to swim upstream then its got to be about what we do not what we know…